Thursday, July 24, 2008

Rove

One little sentence: "Sen. Obama has shifted recently on public financing, free trade, Nafta, welfare reform, the D.C. gun ban, whether the Iranian Quds Force is a terrorist group, immunity for telecom companies participating in the Terrorist Surveillance Program, the status of Jerusalem, flag lapel pins, and disavowing Rev. Jeremiah Wright."

8 comments:

g_rob said...

But that's it right?

dcat said...

Yeah, that's an intellectually honest list.

Let us compare flip flops on issues of substance. Not issues of partisan hackery, but of actual substance.

But then again, I guess I'm asking too much for intellectual honesty. That would require shifting the discussion from hackery to substance. I'm willing to take my chances with that argument.

But you know: Rove as source = good work. That's where I'd go if intellectual honesty was something I valued.

Eeesh.

dcat

Bill L. said...

Turn on the music and sing........

All we are saaaaying, is anythinggg to winnn.
All we are saaaaaying, is what's hot todayyy.

Who thinks he is sincere and honest?
God help us all.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget that Obama flip-flopped on the Bush tax cuts AND offshore drilling. Oh wait, that was the other guy . . .
Z

Anonymous said...

Derek,
In the words of John MacEnroe, "you have GOT to be kidding me." How are these not substantive issues: public financing, free trade, Nafta, welfare reform, the D.C. gun ban, whether the Iranian Quds Force is a terrorist group, immunity for telecom companies participating in the Terrorist Surveillance Program, the status of Jerusalem?

And how is Rove not a good source? Just because you disagree with him or dislike him because he is responsible for beating John "can I get me a, uh, huntin' license" Kerry in 04?
Typical, though; don't address the argument. Just accuse the other side of hackery and attack the source.

Eeesh.

Paul

Anonymous said...

Z-
Rove addressed those in the article.
Paul

Anonymous said...

Paul,
Fair enough, but doesn't that illustrate the nonsense that is the flip-flop attack mantra of the past few years? My larger point was that neither of these guys are above blatant pandering for votes, so why pick on one and not the other. For all the vote whoring by Obama that Rove lays out, he seems oblivious to (or, far more likely, unwilling to address) McCain's similar actions. Claiming that McCain's switches are okay because he has made public declarations of why he switched isn't really much of defense. By that standard both Obama & McCain can spritz some nonsense about their changes & that's all it takes to make it okay. Sorry, but I won't swallow that.
And to Bill L.'s anti-Obama ditty, I don't know if you watched McCain at the NCAA convention, but that too was blatant vote pandering.
Letting either one of these guys off the hook doesn't help things.
Z

Paul said...

Z
McCain changed his mind on offshore drilling when the facts changed. When oil was $35 a barrel he figured there was no need to drill offshore. When it hit $147 a barrel (and gas hit $4/gal) he realized the need to drill more in America to further energy independence. As far as tax cuts go, he didn't support the Bush tax cuts because there was no comparable cut in spending to offset them. Now that the fruits of that policy have been realized (more money to the treasury, booming economy), he doesn't want to see them repealed or let them expire.
As for Obama, he changes his mind on substantive issues almost daily. The Iran threat is the one that really scares me. One day they are a tiny country that is no threat to the US, the next day they are a grave threat.
Paul