tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post8136218261324813488..comments2023-10-28T10:12:35.184-04:00Comments on Big Tent: Would this count as indoctrination?Stephenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14620478836945715498noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-59575644837223511402007-05-23T15:02:00.000-04:002007-05-23T15:02:00.000-04:00...and meeting people like this guy:http://www.dab......and meeting people like this guy:<BR/>http://www.dabush.org/From%20the%20Right/from_the_right.htmStephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620478836945715498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-76348839444735085692007-05-23T14:58:00.000-04:002007-05-23T14:58:00.000-04:00I wonder if the world history class spent more tim...I wonder if the world history class spent more time covering the Ming Dynasty, or the Ottoman Empire than was spent watching the movie. I wonder if his economics class spent more time on the depression, or Adam Smith. I wonder if the world issues class covered Tibet or Darfur. And in a class dedicated to studying the environment, one would think a documentary would be too general to be of goodStephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620478836945715498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-69252657249468044922007-05-23T14:07:00.000-04:002007-05-23T14:07:00.000-04:00Again, I wouldn't call it indoctrination. If I wer...Again, I wouldn't call it indoctrination. If I were asked to show it in any of my classes I would protest, not becasue I want to shelter my students from the vast conspiracy theory that is global warming, but because I don't want Al Gore as the spokesperson for environmentalism, global warming or conservation. He gives it a bad name by using faulty evidence and not "walking the walk." I'd g_robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486379048583197723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-222431345362966712007-05-23T12:42:00.000-04:002007-05-23T12:42:00.000-04:00Paul -- When did I call you stupid? I said that on...Paul --<BR/> When did I call you stupid? I said that one of your arguments was stupid. It was. There is a difference and it is not a minor one. Try, for once, Paul, to show a modicum of intellectual integrity. You assert that I argued that "the question is settled and the criticisms of Gore are invalid," which of course I did not. Ever. If you have to misrepresent my argument to make your point, dcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09921385244556780254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-67338065009385863792007-05-23T08:54:00.000-04:002007-05-23T08:54:00.000-04:00...especially when you know that they didn't cover......especially when you know that they didn't cover a bunch of stuff that they should have covered.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620478836945715498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-37200915627221144452007-05-23T08:21:00.000-04:002007-05-23T08:21:00.000-04:00Stephen: Especially in World History. Is there rea...Stephen: Especially in World History. Is there really a place for AIT in that class. I could see the environment or current events class. But, world history?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-52866889194962161242007-05-23T08:20:00.001-04:002007-05-23T08:20:00.001-04:00I brought up Malthus to make the point that there ...I brought up Malthus to make the point that there is a history of "the sky is falling" types who are willing to use scare tactics to convince otherwise sane people to believe in some cockamamie theory. For this, you called me stupid. Oh well. <BR/>I guess I'm also stupid for deviating from the original post title (oh, the horror- how stupid of me), but wait...I was just responding to how you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-62339924099900115462007-05-23T08:20:00.000-04:002007-05-23T08:20:00.000-04:00But should a kid be forced to watch it in four cla...But should a kid be forced to watch it in four classes?Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620478836945715498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-88627472530541257052007-05-22T18:34:00.000-04:002007-05-22T18:34:00.000-04:00I erased my first post.Even if An Inconvenient Tru...I erased my first post.<BR/><BR/>Even if An Inconvenient Truth is scientifically imprecise and, at times, somewhat alarmist, I'm glad it exists. The movie is flawed, and I wish it were more accurate. But the phenomenon it describes is real. The consequences of global warming will very bad for us. So say our best scientists. No other film has done as much to make this issue important to people.<BRRobert C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13583475788321288405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-3885116717108045842007-05-22T18:28:00.000-04:002007-05-22T18:28:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robert C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13583475788321288405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-25959416807671431882007-05-22T16:03:00.000-04:002007-05-22T16:03:00.000-04:00Global warming, whatever. I've yet to be convince...Global warming, whatever. I've yet to be convinced that we are the root cause of any and all environmental change that is occurring with regards to the earth's temperature. Are there changes happening? Yes. Are we the cause? Irrelevant. We shouldn't have to hear from the fire -breathing Gore and his Hurricane Katrina slideshow...errr...his movie in order to take a closer look at our g_robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486379048583197723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-22269673472531110542007-05-22T15:49:00.000-04:002007-05-22T15:49:00.000-04:00Paul -- The debate has overwhelmingly been settled...Paul --<BR/> The debate has overwhelmingly been settled by every climate scientist of any reputation at all. there was never the sort of consensus on global cooling that there is on the issue of warming -- even some of the longterm skeptics of global warming now acknowledge that it is happening. What they debate -- and what we ought to debate -- is how to address the issue. Yes -- it is sophistrydcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09921385244556780254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-68992229925258554812007-05-22T13:54:00.000-04:002007-05-22T13:54:00.000-04:00Global Warming: Where did this issue come from? (i...Global Warming: Where did this issue come from? (it wasn't here 30 years ago. wait...it was, but it was called global cooling. and 200 years ago it was called the population principle.) Why the alarmism? (which is what Gore's movie is) Why the unwillingness to debate? (the assumption that Gore and his critics are equally valid on global warming is sophistry) Where is the skepticism toward this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-42590766628443679582007-05-22T12:41:00.000-04:002007-05-22T12:41:00.000-04:00OK, maybe JFK is a stretch. But there are much be...OK, maybe JFK is a stretch. But there are much better sources out there to explain the changing climate. Gore's video is a cop-out by teacher's who are jumping on the bandwagon and don't know any better sources.g_robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486379048583197723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-81430620162827273932007-05-22T12:06:00.000-04:002007-05-22T12:06:00.000-04:00Wait a second -- An Inconvenient Truth comparable ...Wait a second -- An Inconvenient Truth comparable to JFK? Please. We can debate it as a source. (The consensus in the scientific community seems to be that his movie is a fairly good popular treatment of the subject, which is what it claims to be.) But to compare it to JFK, which is simply ahistorical and at points demonstrably false? No way. <BR/><BR/>dcatdcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09921385244556780254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-939537904870342992007-05-22T10:52:00.000-04:002007-05-22T10:52:00.000-04:00I wouldn't call it indoctrination as much as I wou...I wouldn't call it indoctrination as much as I would call it a very poor choice of resources. Al Gore's "study" relies too heavily on anecdotal evidence and non-sequiturs and therefore does a disservice to the whole idea of conservation. A teacher using An Inconvenient Truth to teach science is tantamount to a history teacher using Oliver Stone's JFK to teach history.g_robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486379048583197723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-9562963622037449412007-05-21T19:24:00.000-04:002007-05-21T19:24:00.000-04:00Wow, I guess the debate is over then.Wow, I guess the debate is over then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6354819.post-7708586779082799402007-05-21T18:59:00.000-04:002007-05-21T18:59:00.000-04:00No. It would not count as indoctrination. Especial...No. It would not count as indoctrination. Especially since "An Inconvenient Truth" seems to backed by some fairly heavy science -- the assumption that Gore and his critics are equally valid on global warming is sophistry. Even if you do not agree with the film, using texts you do not agree with does not equal indoctrination. <BR/><BR/>dcatdcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09921385244556780254noreply@blogger.com